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but I can't claim to be.
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=21c6l54
I ask for sensible discussion, I get a stupid answer from a mod, and the thread gets locked.
I think that the idea of a discussion forum has managed to elude them, I always thought the point of such forums was to discuss things, but they seem to view it as a place to tell people what to think.
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Well, if they're not going to allow us to disucss the matters that matter to the team on BBR without Edward deleting everything he doesn't agree with, then we'll just have to have a discussion here. I'll put a message up on the home page inviting anyone who wishes to to openly disucss those issues here. It's sad that we have no choice but to do that.
Gary
You can't fix dead.
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There was also this as a follow up, but it lasted even less time than the original:
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=21c8cbk
That one wasn't just locked, it was deleted. Oh, and it got me a warning, guess I should be careful what I ask for.
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I just put a post in on the "vote" thread. I voted "leave bbr", as I've already left. This is Team Starfire as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know what happened over at bbr. However, I've seen 2 separate cases where the DCS and the folks on the Team Starfire forum got sideways. But, since the "ordinary folks" aren't allowed to know what's going on with the DCS, I didn't know why things had happened. I've seen nothing to indicate that the team folks were causing problems. Maybe so, but it didn't appear that way to me.
To me, a "team" is a group of folks bonded with a common goal. That DC goal should be "crunching for a common cause". Another purpose of a "team" is support when things are good or bad. When outside influences get in the way of these 2 things, then the outside influences should be discarded and the team continue on its way unimpeded.
James aka McSummation
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Well, I hope you didn't literally vote "leave bbr", as that doesn't adhere to the strict yes or no only policy that Edward has been on a war path about.
**Edit** OMG, your vote does show that it has been moderated! LOL
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McSummation wrote
To me, a "team" is a group of folks bonded with a common goal. That DC goal should be "crunching for a common cause". Another purpose of a "team" is support when things are good or bad. When outside influences get in the way of these 2 things, then the outside influences should be discarded and the team continue on its way unimpeded.
Excellent point, McSummation [EMO]bigsmile.gif[/EMO]
I can only please one person a day. Today is not your day... tomorrow isn't looking too good either.
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OK, I did violate the "strictly yes or no" part of the vote. But, if he was that interested, why didn't he do a "poll" over there?
I just scanned through the replies. It appears to me that the members that were most active in the forum are voting "no" and the ones that didn't post much (if at all) are voting "yes". There are, of course, exceptions. Of course, simply "not posting" didn't mean that the folks weren't crunching hard. They may be. It just indicates "verbal activity".
If it's a split vote, where does that leave the team? Will they "claim" the team and the others of us get ejected?
James aka McSummation
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The big problem as I see it is management doesn't want any discussion on why people feel the way they do. They're killing legitimate questions, comments and concerns in favor of a simplistic yes/no vote.
I think you have the wrong question. Instead of "Will they "claim" the team and the others of us get ejected?" the question will be "If they claim victory, will anyone who voted no choose to stay?" Just MHO.
Gary
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They are afraid of discussion since it will enlighten those that have no clue about what is going on.
It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
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Xaak, my question was one of concern about the "team" itself, not where the forums (fora?) are located. Not sure if that was the question you answered or not.
So, is the "Starfire" team now split, with some folks hanging out here and some at bbr? It looks like the SETI crew could be that way. As an LHC & E cruncher, I had felt kind of lonely over there, anyway. At least here, there's a forum dedicated to each project, which makes it much easier for folks like me to keep track of things that might be affecting the specific projects I'm crunching.
Also, are both domain names going to be staying or is teamstarfire.net going to be going away? I went off this afternoon to watch King Kong and came back to a split world. A new domain name, but my posts, etc. were still here. It takes a lot less than this to confuse this old fart.
James aka McSummation
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I'm not sure how to respond. Anyone from either Starfire can participate here. I will likely visit the BBR boards but I'll just lurk. I have no desire to post there at this point.
I plan on leaving both URLs active. Those who worked on the new site and provided feedback on it are on TSWB now. I don't even know if those who remain on BBR are even interested in having their own site. But any final decisions around that would be team decisions, not mine alone.
Gary
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Didn't Justin, or someone over there, mandate that BBR teams were not to have offsite forums anymore?
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Heaphus wrote
Didn't Justin, or someone over there, mandate that BBR teams were not to have offsite forums anymore? Aye, I believe it was Justin who said that, but Justin cannot dictate to his members whether or not to participate in our teams forums.
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MarkH wrote Heaphus wrote
Didn't Justin, or someone over there, mandate that BBR teams were not to have offsite forums anymore? |
Aye, I believe it was Justin who said that, but Justin cannot dictate to his members whether or not to participate in our teams forums. No, of course you're right. I meant that they can't actively run a site like teamstarfire .net anymore.
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Heaphus wrote MarkH wrote
Heaphus wrote
Didn't Justin, or someone over there, mandate that BBR teams were not to have offsite forums anymore? |
Aye, I believe it was Justin who said that, but Justin cannot dictate to his members whether or not to participate in our teams forums.
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No, of course you're right. I meant that they can't actively run a site like teamstarfire .net anymore. Yeah, very true. That's just another layer of control in my opinion though. What does confuse me is that if everything is set up well, and in the best interests of the team, why they would want to control how their members communicate? Well, it doesn't confuse me really because I know the answer, but I'm hoping that it may cause other people to stop and think about things.
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