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 CPU Temp - Whats really safe?
 
 1/23/2008 2:28:01 PM
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CPU Temp - Whats really safe?
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So I lit up all 4 cores on Rosetta and I'm sitting at 60,59,56,58C on the cores in ambient temps of 59F.  Whats the real threshold in the O.C. gods minds of where they would like temps to be.  I'm sure my budget, locked down quad core has minimal cooling.  I am thinking of a new MB, PS, cooling and faster ram so I can O.C.  I just got a refund of $170.00 on the machine and I'm putting it back into it.  Which brings me to another ?.  MB to put in it.  Just to O.C. , read mail, and rip CDs.  No gaming or anything like that so no SLI boards, etc.  Must support the home user type of stuff(card readers, lots of USB, SATA) and I prefer hardware raid.  Sorry if I sound hardware handicapped but I stopped following hardware at the AMD K2.

 1/23/2008 3:30:36 PM
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Well you're at the limit already of the temps we like to stay at, so extra cooling is a must. tonguetied.gif

First, a few questions. Are you using Core Temp to check your temps? It is the most acurate, getting the temp right from the cpu, not a bios interpretation of the temp. While you are at it, download Cpu-Z and see if you can find out what motherboard make and model Acer used for your box. We can go from there.

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 1/23/2008 4:04:46 PM
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I'll second Paul's recommendation on cpu-z .  Find out what stepping your quad is too, as that'll have an effict on what might be recommended.  If that's a B3 running at full load, the temps aren't that bad for a stock machine.

I'm assuming that you've already got core temp or something like it since you list 4 temperatures.

You won't find true hardware raid on consumer class boards.  You'll need a server class board (no overclocking) or after market raid card for that.   The raid that comes on the consumer class boards is driver based, but it's good enough if you don't need ultra performance.

 


Gary
You can't fix dead.
 1/23/2008 8:38:28 PM
User is offlinecarp
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Re: CPU Temp - Whats really safe?
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Using CoreTemp.  The raid is not a must.






 1/24/2008 9:25:46 AM
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Well, you have a G0 stepping quad, which is a good thing .

On the low end of the overclocking scale, I like the Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3r .  It doesn't have the 8 pin cpu connector (it has the 4 pin one), but seems to run quads very nicely regardless of that.  It has onboard raid 0, 1 5, 10, and jbod (driver based but decent) and will do just about anything you'd want.

Stepping up from there is probably the Gigabyte ga-p35-ds4 .  It adds firewire, an 8 pin cpu power connector, and a second pci-x 16.  It also has the raid you're looking for.

That, with a good HSF should get you well above 3.2 ghz at reasonable temps.

One thing you didn't mention which I'll bring up here is the power supply.  That's going to be critical for overclocking.  Do some research there as that's probably the most important part of a quad overclocking setup.  Myself, I'd lean towards a single 12v rail supply of at least 550 watts and very good quality.  The last one I bought was PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 and I'm very happy with it.

(Newegg links for reference only)

 


Gary
You can't fix dead.
 1/24/2008 9:55:03 AM
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Re: CPU Temp - Whats really safe?
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Thanks so far.  The power supply is on the list, probably first thing to be replaced..  Should I address any cooling for now in the short term.  Temps stayed below 65C with ambient air temp at 75.  Dropped it down to two cores while at work.  hangs around 50C with two cores going.  I was feeling for air flow  and not much air is being moved.  Very little out of the power supply and very little out of the ventilation on the side of the case where there also appears to be a template for mounting a case fan.

 1/24/2008 1:33:29 PM
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65 is no big deal for that cpu.  I wouldn't want to run it there permanently, but it's far enough below spec that a couple weeks like that won't hurt it.  If you haven't already, just pull the side off the case  and run it open.  That alone is usually good for 4 or 5 degrees .

Nah, I'd wait until you get the new mobo before addressing any cooling issues you have.


Gary
You can't fix dead.
 1/24/2008 4:22:19 PM
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There's a shop down the street that I was gonna use to build a rig.  Prices on par with  Newegg but no shipping so I may just pick up the goods and some better memory.  Never heard of the company that made what's in this ACER(Qimonda)

 1/24/2008 4:48:58 PM
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Re: CPU Temp - Whats really safe?
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Well before you go any further, I took a look at that Acer at Best Buy's site, it seems to be a microATX case. That changes things significantly.

Are there any overclocking features in bios? Virtually no chance of that, but can always ask.

Also, in CPU-Z, what frequency is your memory running and what are the timings? Qimonda is a subsidiary of Infineon, BTW.

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 1/25/2008 3:30:48 AM
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To continue on the microATX thing from last night.

For a Quad, even more so than a Core Duo, what you need in a good overclocking motherboard is good voltage regulation to the cpu. This is usually achieved by adding more phases to the power regulation circuit. A typical OEM board will have 3 or 4 phase power regulation, better boards for overclocking will add to that to get 6,8 or 12 phase power regulation. It seems with newer cpus that while you need only so much current when idling, the regulation must fill that need and also be able to fill the need of the cpu at 100% load. It also needs to be designed that the current stays within that spec when you suddenly apply or remove a 100% load.

What happens with OEM boards when you overclock, is that the range of current is exceeded by what the designers think of as a normal load. The end result is that the voltage to the cpu will "droop". If your bios is sending the message to supply 1.325V to the cpu, a 3 phase power regulater overclocked will start to droop significantly when overclocked. Sometimes down to say, 1.25V. Now even the better 6,8,12 phase circuits will droop to a certain extent, they won't do it nearly as much.

All this is leading to is that AFAIK, there are no mATX motherboards with 6 or better phase regulation. I did try one, an Asus p5k-VM that droops with an E6600 with a bios setting of 1.41 vcore down to 1.32 under load, and that's with a fairly good psu well able to handle the 12V1 and 12V2 load needed for a Core Duo.

More on this later. Also, this is my take on the situation, and I have no background in electronics. Perhaps someone who is better versed could expound on it further.

Paul

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 1/25/2008 3:58:38 PM
User is offlinecarp
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Re: CPU Temp - Whats really safe?
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Memory Tab:
Freq 332.5
FSB:DRAM: 4:5
CAS Latency:5
RAS to CAS: 5
RAS Precharge:5
Cycle:15
Command Rate: 2T









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