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 Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 
 12/25/2006 12:30:17 AM
User is offlineSparky Jim
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Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (United Kingdom) Modified By Sparky Jim  on 12/25/2006 3:32:51 AM)

OK, machine stopped working a few weeks ago in the middle of the night.

When I turned it on, it hangs before the boot screen, so assuming that the mainboard is knackered, changed it.

Problem persisted, so I changed the CPU, problem persisted, so then I changed the Memory sticks,problem persisted.changed the VGA card, problem persisted, changed the PSU, problem persisted.

Now I have to boot the machine with just the CPU installed on the boards, and it does the same thing!!

Does anyone have any idea of what the problem could be as it is driving me nuts..iun trying to get one working I now thave enough parts to have two more working, so any advice would be great as I will be able to literally more than double my production from around 3200 cobblestones to an estimated 10,000 cobblestones a week. Currently only have a P4HT Extreme and a laptop crunching, but if I can get these two machines running, then I will have another two P4HT 3.0GHz machines running

Many thanks in advance.

Jim


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 12/25/2006 12:44:11 AM
User is offlineCrystallize
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (N/A) Modified By Crystallize  on 12/25/2006 3:48:17 AM)

So you have change everything and it still happens.

Have you checked the hard drive ?

I mean, you can't boot without the hard drive installed and of course it hangs before boot
if you have removed the hard drive as  the OP system is installed in the hard drive.

 

I wouldn't have guessed on that almost in the first case,

as since SETI/Boinc writes to the same blocks the whole time, the hard drive gets very worn at places.

You should do a hard drive test, I don't know what brand of hard drive you1 have but

they can usually be downloaded from the hard drive manufacturers homepage.

And you run it from floppy on boot, so it works even without you having boot first !

 


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 12/25/2006 1:18:13 AM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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huh, that is odd. I know you know your way around computers, so a couple quick questions.

So you can get into bios, but it hangs before loading OS?

Have you run a memory test like http://www.memtest.org/#downiso ? I run this as a rule whenever I get any type of stability problem, just to rule out the memory going into the troubleshooting phase. Memory spewing errors can cause all kinds of errors, from stability to scrambling your hdd.

If the memory checks out fine, the board boots, and hangs at OS install, then I'd check the hdd's with the maker's diagnostic utility, or use a generic one like Seagate's SeaTools- http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/ , which comes in an .iso or floppy and can test any brand hdd.

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 12/25/2006 2:10:58 AM
User is offlineuniquecp
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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If you have changed everything but the HD and cables ten is either a HD or a cablem id you are not getting to the BIOS I would bet a bad IDE cable maybe the drive is set to slave or master and instead of cable select this can also give some boards issue prior to bios startup
 I am betting a bad cable

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 12/25/2006 6:55:40 AM
User is offlineCorruptor
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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It must be the HDD. I do not mean a phisical failure but a logical (hard drive controllers fail some time).

If you use Win OS try to:

   - Boot to the install CD or DVD and enter console mode and run disk diagnostics (chkdsk /f)  or

   - Try to perform a repair OS install

If you use different OS certeanly you have these or very similar options.

If nothing works, and your BIOS gives you the option to perform a HDD self test run it. It will tell you where is the problem.


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 12/25/2006 7:41:24 AM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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I've had about 3 like this in the past 3 months, all of which have come back to life with some bed rest--leaving it off anywhere from 90 minutes to 2 days.

I *think* what I've been doing, or rather not doing, is that I leave the power cord plugged in to have a case ground for my grounding wrist strap, but I have not been shutting off the power switch on the PSU. 

I think that may imply that the mobo is getting powered weirdly for a second whilst I put on the 20-pin connector (AMD).  Why? Because resetting CMOS didn't help, bed rest does, but the last time the fastest resurrection occurred by turning off the PSU for 30 seconds and turning it back on.

It strikes me as just the sort of stupid move that catches those of us who are otherwise absolutely sure we know what we're doing :D

 12/25/2006 3:38:18 PM
User is offlineSparky Jim
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (United Kingdom)

Guys, thanks for the replies, but as I am not getting to the boot screen it cannot be an IDE/SATA cable, actually I have tried to boot without any of them installed..so it certainly is not them.

I have left the machine dead, without a power connection at all for about 7 days, still no joy on the boot front, I am a little confused as I have never seen this issue before. It is as if the BIOS has died, yet the mobo in the machine now worked fine for 8 months before cannibalisation made it defunct, since then it has been in a static safe bag in a box and in a dry location.

Looks like some serious experimenting is called for as I have some time off work over the holidays.


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 12/25/2006 10:39:43 PM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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ok put a win98 boot disk in and see if it boots. if it does run fdisk and see if you can see the HD.  if you cant thats your problem

if you can let me know i'll give you some other things to try


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 12/25/2006 11:57:44 PM
User is offlineCorruptor
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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 Sparky Jim wrote

Guys, thanks for the replies, but as I am not getting to the boot screen it cannot be an IDE/SATA cable, actually I have tried to boot without any of them installed..so it certainly is not them.

I have left the machine dead, without a power connection at all for about 7 days, still no joy on the boot front, I am a little confused as I have never seen this issue before. It is as if the BIOS has died, yet the mobo in the machine now worked fine for 8 months before cannibalisation made it defunct, since then it has been in a static safe bag in a box and in a dry location.

Looks like some serious experimenting is called for as I have some time off work over the holidays.

 

OK once again:

Did you try to BOOT from a floppy or bootable CD or DVD? If yes, HDD problems (even controller)

Did you try to remove the MB from the chasis and boot on that way? If yes, there's a short circuit with your chasis

Dou you can enter the BIOS? If yes, the MB,CPU and memory modules are OK or

Didi you try to refresh your BIOS?

Did you try to upgrade any firmware?

Is your power supply working well?

There are so many possibilities


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 12/26/2006 12:43:13 AM
User is offlineSparky Jim
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (United Kingdom)
Guys, If I cannot boot to the BIOS, then a Win boot disk is useless.
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 12/26/2006 12:59:32 AM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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 Sparky Jim wrote
Guys, If I cannot boot to the BIOS, then a Win boot disk is useless.

Then it's PSU or mobo. Since you replaced both, perhaps the original PSU is the culprit, and is blowing out boards. Or vice versa, mobo blowing out PSU's. One of those PSU checkers, while not perfect, are quite handy to check out all the rails. Does it power up in any way? Fans start, led's light, etc?

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 12/26/2006 1:46:58 AM
User is offlineCrystallize
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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I think you need to explain exactly how long you do come.

Do you get anything when you push the start button ?

or is the screen completely black and no sounds from the PC at all ?

no leds starting up on the front of the PC ?

Or do you get a small twitch from the PSU and then it stops ?

Have you tried a Clear CMOS ?


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 12/26/2006 11:27:53 PM
User is offlinetrader1_1
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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when you turn it on do you get any beeps at all if so how many and what kind ie long , short

i agree you need to pull the mb and try and boot it outside the case. also pull everything except the processor and see if the fans even turn on....and also try d'oh fixes is it plugged in is the switch on the power supply switched on. also if your not getting any power to the mb open the power supply and check the fuse in the power supply it might be blown


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 12/27/2006 2:18:11 AM
User is offlineSparky Jim
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (United Kingdom)

Guys, I have exchanged bot PSU's, two Mobo's, two CPU's, five VGA (2 AGP and 3 PCI) cards in various combinations.

I have cleared the BIOS on both boards, I have tried to boot in the case and out of the case, I have tried to boot with the system in various states of construction and the same thing happens on EVERY occasion.

The PSU powers up, the Fans power up, when connected the HDD even powers up, however there is nothing else happening, the Mobo does not get to the BIOS screen, it hangs prior to this, I do not even get a BIOS flash for the VGA card that happens to be installed.

Regarding the condition of the PSU, they are both working 100%. I don't need a specific tester as I have some rather expensive test equipment as I am an Electrical Engineer..and there is nothing wrong with the power supplies. I have tested the Mobo as much as possible, and the correct voltages are going where they should.

I have tested both CPU's, all four RAM sticks and the VGA cards in this machine, they work fine..so I am at a loss.

I have external caddies for the HDD's and all work perfectly???


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 12/27/2006 8:50:06 AM
User is offlineCrystallize
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (N/A) Modified By Crystallize  on 12/27/2006 11:50:43 AM)

Hm, it could almost sound like an heat issue also, you sure sure the CPU fan is connected and starts ?

If for some reason the CPU fan has gotten stuck or disconnected, the CPU could overheat and it freeze shortly after boot,

 it have happend to me some time.

Also check that the PSU fan starts properly.

 


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 12/27/2006 9:09:49 AM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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Ok,   just a couple wild guess' here,,   In the UK do you use 220v? and is the switch on the back of the power supply set to the appropriate voltage?

also have you checked the voltage at the wall outlet? and have you tried using a different power cord?   


 12/27/2006 3:32:05 PM
User is offlineSparky Jim
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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 fesstess wrote

Ok,   just a couple wild guess' here,,   In the UK do you use 220v? and is the switch on the back of the power supply set to the appropriate voltage?

also have you checked the voltage at the wall outlet? and have you tried using a different power cord?   

I'm an Electrical Engineer, so the answer is yes to anything electrical as in I have tried it, done it or checked it!!


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 12/27/2006 3:40:46 PM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
 (United States)
 Sparky Jim wrote
 fesstess wrote

Ok,   just a couple wild guess' here,,   In the UK do you use 220v? and is the switch on the back of the power supply set to the appropriate voltage?

also have you checked the voltage at the wall outlet? and have you tried using a different power cord?   

I'm an Electrical Engineer, so the answer is yes to anything electrical as in I have tried it, done it or checked it!!

Sorry dude, just trying to help.  I saw you were an Electrical Engineer in your previous post but thought I'd ask anyway.


 12/28/2006 5:06:35 AM
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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No worries Festess, thought you might have simply missed that comment in the earlier post.
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 12/28/2006 2:11:00 PM
User is offlineSparky Jim
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Re: Problem:- Any ideas anyone?
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The good News is I have found the fault and I have corrected it.

The problem was tha actual fan on the Zalman CPU cooler. It was going round as you would expect, but it was drawing too much current from the board and thus causing the problem. I discovered it when I disconnected everything electrical from the board except the CPU and one stick of RAM..she booted to BIOS!!

Thinking this odd, I then realised the only difference from other attempts was that I had not plugged the CPU fan in!!

I then decided to check this little bugger out, and it has a fault, so I have swapped the fan ion the Zalman for a spare fan of the same size I had in a box, and voila, it works fine. Now I can crunch on it again as soon as I sort out it's network issue!!


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